Feeling the Pain of Developing a System in Clojure

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I want to like clojure - I really do. Erlang was interesting, and it taught me a lot about functional programming - not that I'm really all that good now, but in Erlang, there were a lot of things that I found very hard. One was state - that was all in the arguments. The other was error messages. Man, those error dumps could go on for pages, and finding the first one that really was the source of the problem was a trick. But once you knew what to look for, and found it, then you had a fighting chance to figure out what you did wrong.

I'm learning that with clojure, it's not always that easy. After all, clojure is just java byte code, right? And with all the functional components written in classes in the compiler, it's easy to understand why they have classes that make no sense to a human reader.

OK, maybe to some human readers, but not to beginning clojure coders.

I came across this today and it's really pretty shocking.

Stack traces 50, 60, 100 lines long and not a clue in the lot of it where the problem is. Now I'm not saying it was hard to find… I've looked in more Java stack traces than I can count. I'm saying that every level in that stack trace was nothing in my code. Not a single thing. Certainly not by the unknown name munging that clojure uses.

So I'm left just commenting out sections of code hoping to find the ones that are causing the problem. In functional code, that's not easy as it's all nested within itself in the source file, and commenting out a section is really quite a little adventure to make sure that you get all the parens in the right places.

This is a serious problem in my mind. How long do you have to work with clojure to understand the name munging? Six months? A year? If that's the case, then there's no way a new developer on a team can do any fire-fighting, it's too stressful, and the only people to do it are the senior debs on the team.

That might not be bad, but our senior clojure dev is not a workaholic, so having him fire-fight anything before 9:00 am and after 5:00 pm is a dicey proposition. It makes me very nervous.

It makes me want to drop it and use something else.